H22a swap in a EG civic/DC2.

civicex2g · Post by **civicex2g** » February 18, 2004

in my opinion.. you should look into the getting a brake upgrade with either of these swaps.... if the car is JUST going to be a track car (1/4 mile track) then it isnt TOO bad... but if its going to be a road car then for safety reasons I would definately change out the brakes.. I know this from PERSONAL experience with 2 swapped EG's that had H22's.. and a couple that had b18c5's.... i drove the H22 one and I was a bit scared at stopping cause... it just struggled.. even turning in the car was a bit hard and alot of understeer...

you could keep the cx brakes.. but not wise imo

Post by **kotomile** » February 18, 2004

Turbogixxer wrote:
One question, What makes swaping in a B18c5 in a CX with stock brakes different then an H22a? (do not say the weight in the front, Because, you know that it BS).

It's not BS. Extra weight (especially in the front) = need better braking.

Just because you are able to slow down after a run at the dragstrip doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to upgrade, if for nothing else then for safety on the street.

Post by **Nikku** » February 18, 2004

kotomile wrote:
Turbogixxer wrote:
One question, What makes swaping in a B18c5 in a CX with stock brakes different then an H22a? (do not say the weight in the front, Because, you know that it BS).
It's not BS. Extra weight (especially in the front) = need better braking.

Just because you are able to slow down after a run at the dragstrip doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to upgrade, if for nothing else then for safety on the street.

exactly, but apparently this isnt common knowledge?

........turbogixxer, do me a favor go ask any PROFESSIONAL auto-xxer/road racer about brakes and suspension on an H22 swapped into your car and tell them that you have stock suspension and brakes and try to tell them that it is fine how it is and try not to cry when they dont stop laughing for 8 hours if not more

Turbogixxer · Post by **Turbogixxer** » February 19, 2004

I am not talking about road racing here. There is too many factors in a fast road race car than a drag.

temp wrote:do me a favor go ask any PROFESSIONAL auto-xxer/road racer about brakes and suspension on an H22 swapped into your car and tell them that you have stock suspension and brakes and try to tell them that it is fine how it is and try not to cry when they dont stop laughing for 8 hours if not more

Do the samething, but say a b18c5 swap. They will say the something.

kotomile wrote:It's not BS. Extra weight (especially in the front) = need better braking.

Just because you are able to slow down after a run at the dragstrip doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to upgrade, if for nothing else then for safety on the street.

So, what you are saying is that 1 pound on the front end is the same as 100 pounds? It matters the amount of weight you added. H-series DOES NOT weight alot more than B-series.

temp wrote:exactly, but apparently this isnt common knowledge? ........turbogixxer

Your right, then why spread false statement about the swap?

I have PERSONALLY swap a B18c5 for a H22a in a EG. I did not see any thing really different. There were a few things different, but the are different motors. The braking was the same.

I am not trying to flame you guys, do not take it personal.

civicex2g · Post by **civicex2g** » February 19, 2004

ok....

what turbogixxer is saying.. its possible to use stock suspension with these motors..

- it is possible... but the car will brake less with a C5 or an H22..vx brakes are tiny and not made to handle the extra weight and extra hp of any B or H series engine....
- to be SAFE incase you need to brake hard.. or you are going to hit the cones... you need to change out the suspensions and brakes to compensate for the extra weight..

- if this car is just gonna be used for 1/4 mile it dont matter what brakes you use... ur just gonna be changing alot of rotors and pads.. (i know from experience)

- if this car will be used on 1/4/street you DONT need to change.. but like i said.. its wise to do so....

basically there...

and the experience part.. well in my old CC there was a 93 si with a b16 turbo... good amt of hp and stock brakes... we would have to change the rotors and pads on that thing consistantly...

just an example..

Post by **Nikku** » February 20, 2004

Turbogixxer wrote:I am not talking about road racing here. There is too many factors in a fast road race car than a drag.

temp wrote:do me a favor go ask any PROFESSIONAL auto-xxer/road racer about brakes and suspension on an H22 swapped into your car and tell them that you have stock suspension and brakes and try to tell them that it is fine how it is and try not to cry when they dont stop laughing for 8 hours if not more
Do the samething, but say a b18c5 swap. They will say the something.

kotomile wrote:It's not BS. Extra weight (especially in the front) = need better braking.

Just because you are able to slow down after a run at the dragstrip doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to upgrade, if for nothing else then for safety on the street.
So, what you are saying is that 1 pound on the front end is the same as 100 pounds? It matters the amount of weight you added. H-series DOES NOT weight alot more than B-series.

temp wrote:exactly, but apparently this isnt common knowledge? ........turbogixxer
Your right, then why spread false statement about the swap?

I have PERSONALLY swap a B18c5 for a H22a in a EG. I did not see any thing really different. There were a few things different, but the are different motors. The braking was the same.

I am not trying to flame you guys, do not take it personal.

so are you telling me that SUSPENSION is NOT an issue in drag racing? and i have never claimed that suspension does not need to be altered w/ a b18c5 swap, but hell using stock suspension on ANY swap is, for lack of a better word, RETARDED, no one is saying that 1 pound is the same as 100lbs, but you are talking 100lbs OVER a b-series SWAP, and a B-series swap is about 75lbs or so MORE then a D-series so you are looking at closer to 175-200LBS, WHICH IS A SHITLOAD OF WEIGHT, thats like having me sit on your hood while you drive, what false statement am i spreading? you are the one saying that suspension and brakes do not need to be upgraded with a H-swap...... :ohmy:

Post by **kotomile** » February 20, 2004

Turbogixxer wrote:
kotomile wrote:It's not BS. Extra weight (especially in the front) = need better braking.

Just because you are able to slow down after a run at the dragstrip doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to upgrade, if for nothing else then for safety on the street.
So, what you are saying is that 1 pound on the front end is the same as 100 pounds? It matters the amount of weight you added. H-series DOES NOT weight alot more than B-series.

So, what you are saying is that an H series only weighs one pound more than a B series?

:ohmy:

phan · Post by **phan** » February 20, 2004

so you guys are saying i should upgrade from my HF hubs when i swap my F22 into the rex?

*this was sarcasm...i don't even own an HF.

Post by **Nikku** » February 21, 2004

phan wrote:so you guys are saying i should upgrade from my HF hubs when i swap my F22 into the rex?

*this was sarcasm...i don't even own an HF.

no way man, STOCK HF suspension and BRAKES are perfect for a H22 swap in an EF

munster · Post by **munster** » February 21, 2004

B18C1/C5 - 370 w/trans
H22A - 475 w/trans

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